And even if I'm wrong on both of those, I can almost gaurentee that if you tried this at a tournament a judge would accept "I'm going to say no to ending my turn indefinitely" as a reasonable way to end this loop. Even though the outcome *COULD* be different, it's not guaranteed to be, so it's just stalling. Playtest v1. Active player is distinct from priority. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Combos Used In Obeka, Brute Chronologist (559 Combos) Submit your own combos and corrections to Commander Spellbook. In order for it to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including your opponents. The discussion above applies to these abilities as they do to "at the beginning of the next end step" abilities, except "end step" is replaced with "end of combat step". Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. #EDH #Commander #MTGWe celebrate ONE YEAR of tune-ups with this patron-submitted list led by Obeka, Brute Chronologist! So, if I may ask, say I want to Final Fortune for an extra turn but also get bonus mana from Thawing Glaciers during that extra turn. Discord Server | Obeka, Brute Chronologist. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} EDIT (Sep. 24, 2022): Remove a rule citation. Help | ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}.icon._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:8px}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} by darrenhabib 2 years ago, Post It's amazing. What if someone else Goatnappers someone else's stuff, and you politic your way into a deal; "Hey, bud, you have a cool creature. The active player is the player whose turn it is. Switch . Monday, December 14th, 2020. This sequence may be a non-repetitive series of choices, a loop that repeats a specified number of times, multiple loops, or nested loops, and may even cross multiple turns. In turn order (noting that it's currently opponent's turn), each player involved in the loop now must choose a finite number of times they wish to continue with the loop. Using Obeka to end the turn with the "until end of turn" triggers on the stack does stop those triggers during the first cleanup step but do those triggers still trigger again at the next cleanup step that follows? during the end step and while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again (C.R. 719.2e), so that the delayed triggered ability will wait until the next end step whenever that is, even if that's another player's end step (C.R. There are abilities that trigger "at the beginning of the next cleanup step", but they're relatively rare (examples are found in [[Thawing Glaciers]], [[Waylay]], and [[Armor of Thorns]]). 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. All combos are rules exploits in one way or another, this one is just more original. Post Add to Cart 1; $0.32 . by benjameenbear 2 years ago, Post .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} Please link all cards using double brackets. If I understand, the Thawing Glaciers cleanup-step trigger reestablishes priority. If this happens, players will have a chance to cast spells and activate abilities, then there will be another cleanup step before the turn is over. After looking into the rules surrounding loops and using the best of my judgely knowledge, it does appear to work, but I can't find any specific mentions of the situation on oracle rulings, or threads of the interaction in general, which seemed odd to me, considering the strangeness of this interaction. It also has the active player discard down to hand size if they're over their hand size limit. What you are looking for are words that qualify that specific end of turn. The same applies to abilities that begin with "At end of combat, " (e.g., [[Kytheon, Hero of Akros]]), and the same applies to delayed triggered abilities that specify a duration, as in the examples "Until end of turn, whenever" and "Whenever this turn, " (C.R. I activate Aphetto Alchemist targeting itself and Obeka. 1x Crumbling Necropolis. I just realized that your Avatar "Kaho, Minamo Historian" goes infinite for 6 mana with Finale Fortune o.O, Wish we could find room for Glorious End as well. $0.10. Guest-only advertisements. Jesper Ejsing. There is no way currently printed to extend the duration across multiple turns. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Before you even reach the "I am demonstrating a loop" statement you're attempting to repeat the board state already, or your loop hasn't resolved a single "NO" response yet. Infinity is not a number, so you cannot select it. 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It no longer is printed on cards (and has been errated off of old cards) to signify a trigger. I would see how it could be considered a dick move outside a combo meta, but I'm not sure I understand the argument for this being a dick move within that meta. 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Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. The end state has Obeka tapped. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Potentially showing that Wizards intended the terms to be interchangeable, at least on older cards. In this deck tech I've tried a taste of all three.Pat. Discord Server | I have Obeka, Brute Chronologist enchanted with Freed from the Real and all the blue mana I need. Should I enter the end phase, then use Obeka to exile the "you lose the game" ability, then during the cleanup step Thawing Glaciers would trigger, and I would need to either use a Sundial of the Infinite, or untap Obeka with a spell or ability and use her ability again? Okay, hear me out, but what if you could steal someone's big, bad creature, forever, for just three mana*? Oneka's second ruling states As the active player you do your combo to untap and trigger it again. The gamestate has now returned to where it was before. Should you stop buying MtG products? Edit: adding comprehensive rules reference. 719.1d; see also C.R. Normally, players don't get to do anything in the Cleanup Step, but if something triggers or if a state-based action does something in the Cleanup Step, players do get priority. I really need more way to get haste into my deck and he seems like a pretty good add that can help cheat big dude into play that meet his restriction. 3) State-based actions are checked. However, if this happens the game does another Cleanup Step once this one ends. 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[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] I want to build her so bad but every time I try I hurt my head . This trigger looks for the next end step to happen and triggers at that time. If games are about having fun even competitively; this ain't it chief. Has Purphoros been working well for you? Obeka's effect jumps directly to the Cleanup Step from whatever step/phase the game currently is at.If the game was in a step/phase prior to the End Step, it would skip past the End Step so nothing triggering on the End Step would trigger this turn. I reasoned that the lore behind him had something to do with the ancient past, but I thought he was even older -- perhaps the beloved he sought was the legendary Rebbec! Just to make it clear exactly when you should be using Obeka it's important to know when effects happen. Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. before the end step, the turn will move to the cleanup step (skipping any phases and steps in between, including end steps) (C.R. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. . Now, if the End Step began, all those "beginning of the end step" triggers have triggered and are on the stack waiting to resolve.The interesting thing is that if you end the turn with them waiting to resolve, the triggers get exiled and the game advances to the Cleanup Step. Contact | The opponent can't choose more No than you can choose Untap. The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. During an opponent's draw step, I tap Obeka and ask if they want to end their turn. Signets and talismans seem extra good since they let us cast Obeka on turn 3. 603.7b, 614.10a). Card Kingdom $624 - 564. Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections to be made, I've chosen one to mark as the "Accepted answer" so that this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. Coalition Relic can charge for 1 turn, Skyclave Relic is super versatile/rugged, and Everflowing Chalice can be huge if you want, 6-10 mana is absurd but sometimes comes up. If you expect to have multiple opponents, Goad is a very strong effect, Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant is potentially pretty solid, lots of card draw. Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . So you would then need to make a choice to not activate Obeka? planning on building an Obeka, Brute Chronologist commander deck, but first i want to see how her turn ending ability interacts with other cards:. To make it clear exactly when you should be using Obeka it 's important to know when effects happen talismans! Is just more original casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures to Restock... 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